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#1 Gary Dranow

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 06:20 PM

Well folks, I'm very sorry to report that Park City NASTAR's program has taken a nose dive.

Other than a Pacesetter acting very inappropriately on many levels, his handicaps varying wildly, adjusted 3 times in 3 days, punching the Cap Time Minimum Par Time Rule (Cap Time X 1.05) on most days by as much as a second and a half, the course setting has gotten increasingly unprofessional and absolutely dangerous.

Today's course alone had an astounding 20 DNF runs!!  The last three gates were decreasing vertical distance of 17, 15 and 14 at the last gate with a quick top section.  

I was giving my fourth "No time" run of the year then a time mysteriously appears in my record.  I am confident they did not have a time on me per the announcer's very specific instruction for me not to start before cleared.  I was indeed cleared to start by the offending pacesetter/staff member (not the day's pacesetter or course setter, however, winner of the race, which seems to be all that matters to the particular pacesetter).  Had a friend standing right next to me to slip after my run who heard my start cleareance without question.  While the HC's today may have been okay, the course setting was terrible.  

Yesterday we had a fictitious skier entered into the database to knock me out of first place ranking in the resort.  This racer was entered manually.  HQ has confirmed and removed the fake race record.   Kudos.

Based on the continued poor course setting, pacesetter vendetta's against a paying guest and management's refusal (after being notified in writing, to which was received with anger and annoyance then failing product) to address the issue we unfortunately have to downgrade our rating for the time being.

We had them at a 5 Star Rating mainly based on two of the staff's interest in improving their product but they have been pulled away for major races leaving the NASTAR venue under the young pacesetter's control with little or no oversight.  

There volunteers continue to be extremely pleasant, the race still runs on time and with these major exceptions they would have maintained our highest rating.

Downgraded to a 2 out of 5 Stars based aforementioned issues and primarily skier safety.  If it gets sorted out we will notify you, right now we would not encourage anyone to run at PCMR, its down right dangerous and horrifically inconsistent now.  This has been going on for over 7 days, we waited as promised.  We will even rescind this notice (delete it) if contacted about the problems and efforts made to rectify the problems.

We know HQ is aware of the problem.  We hope it gets sorted out and nobody is hurt or loses their privileges over this.  Nothing but the truth here.  Its all in the database records.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 08:29 AM

New Pacesetting over at PCMR (Thank GAWD!). Haven't been there in a week.  Some bumpy days but HQ blew out most of the bogus runs (like a 5 year old with a 0.01 that stood for 3 days, you'd think the Mountain would pick up on it, oh well).  The have had 3 Legit FIS very strong junior/mids out, one of which I have run against many times, Miles Fink-Debray and two of them are just ahead of me, where they belong, in the low 3's.  Chuck Wagner, one of our fastest NASTAR racing Masters pulls in right on my tail at 3.10.  These HC's are right on the money.   The times on the courses are in the low 16's to mid 16's and that is completely fine for that hill.  

I'll sneak a peak when I can get on my ankle again and upgrade appropriately.  Good to see that things are sorting out both at the Resort Level and on the Database Level.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 12:54 PM

Just got a report from one of our team members who recently ran the NASTAR at PCMR.  

It truly sounds like things are headed back in the right direction, he won the race with a 17.0someting, much more like it (meaning the course setting is coming together, had no reports of silly Crankers at the end though he could tuck 3 to 4 of the 14/15 gates on his 191 FIS skis, just a bit more offset ((like a half panel or so now)) and I believe they've got it).  The Par Time was well above the Cap Time Rule.

The Pacesetters (apparently two new ones) need to step it up just a tad or raise their HC's by 2 points or so to stop the Par Times from getting punched.  I am certain if I was out there yesterday the par time most certainly would have been punched and it was the day before by a very good USSA/FIS Mid (a great skier and well deserving of a legit 2-3 HC, but not a sub zero).

Its getting close.  Hopefully I can sneak in there and take a peek in the next few days and pull my typical 4-5 HC on the hill and be right up near the top.  I don't want no zeros - 1's though, that's embarrassing  biggrin.gif

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 06:53 PM

Ran Park City for the first time since January 7th yesterday.  As it stands right now here's my update;

1) Course Setting has been fixed.  They are setting appropriate courses with adequate vertical distance
and off set for the hill.  I have not seen nor heard of any stupid gates especially coming into the finish
since I last skied there and the pacesetter/course setter issue was resolved.

2)  They run on time, 7 days a week.  Volunteers, sign up, communication is as good as it was in
December, this is all excellent.

3)  They have one Pacesetter that has been quite good (Adrienne Langford),
the other pacesetters need work.  I ran a zero  (pulled out before I punched to see what they
would do) and the day before with another pacesetter both courses were punched (Friday).  

This race will results will change on Monday 28, January when Sam Sweetser is put in a pacesetter in Green.  HQ
will be flagged and the 6 zeros will be removed, however, Friday was extremely careless pacesetting, no hint of
"Pro Active or Re-active Pacesetting".  This is really bad and that Pacesetter should be removed as he was around
for the early January problems and clearly has learned nothing (or simply doesn't care).  The other Pacesetters
need to be "re-handicapped" or learn to ski up to their HC regardless of conditions or set.

As stated elsewhere I till be real interesting to see how HQ deals with the 17 HC racer that punched
one of the courses on Friday and where they put Sam Sweetser, a real National class racer.

We'll update now to a three (really 3.5) thumbs p, fix the pacesetting and keep course setting as is, they'll
be back to a full 5 thumbs up venue.  I have had several Master buddies of mine state that it was fun to
run there again due to good course setting.  Yeah, no kidding!

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 02:21 PM

Well Kids the good Doctor and I got out of bed, the
skies cleared, the front loaders and Cats were pushing
the snow around as Park City digs itself out of 30 days
of snow.

Ran into Dr. Cofer and his brother in law Ken Franch, both
coachees and I was inexorably dragged over to the PCMR
NASTAR course.  

Good set, glad to see they've got that down, very nice set
for the hill and conditions.

I've been having a bit of bad luck this year as I've pulled up
short of punching the PAR only to have a 80 point FIS racer
come through and punch it for me.  I've watched with frustration
from the side line as racers that can't get within a .250 second
of me (being generous) pull 1s and 2s.

Interestingly, at other local areas the Par times have
firmed up and racers are really fighting for those elusive
real 5s to 10s.  Good to see.

First run I punched the Par Time in Green, oh well, HQ
should put me in as the Pacesetter unless one of our faster
racers come out and punch it harder.  I moved over to
Yellow and took one run and scored a 0.73.  Not wanting
to blow Dr. Cofer's, Larry's and Ken's good HCs I pulled
out and left.  

We'll see in the next hour if I once again get bumped as
the course gets quicker or if I can keep my #1 resort
ranking (which I feel is mine since I've won every race
but 2 all season).  What's a shame is that I have to run sub
1 to do it, that sucks and I really don't like playing the
sandbagging game but the pacesetting requires it at PCMR.

It will be interesting to see if HQ puts me or whoever
goes lower in as Pacesetter (I am a pacesetter at Wolf) or
if they go in and change Ben's HC as they did with "Klaus"
a few weeks back.  They should not adjust Ben's HC as he
hasn't been punched for the last month or so, Ben just needs
to run harder or take another run if the HCs are getting low
(they just need to let everyone know they are going to pro
actively run so someone doesn't leave thinking they've got a
better HC than they end up with should he re-run).  

All in all, Better Course setting by far.  Very well run races,
they run on time and they run almost 7 days a week.

Good place to run and a solid 4 Star final rating.  Glad they
got rid of the riff raff, it just took too long.

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That concludes by 2008 review of PCMR, I'm going to head
over to Deer Valley where Adam Woods has been tearing 'em
up and then over to Snowbasin were Jim Forster has been
running like a clock.  I'm sure both venues will get high ratings
from what I've seen in this year's database.

Only a few weeks left to qualify for Nationals so get out and
make sure you are where you need to be in your Division/Age
Group if you plan on going.


Edit: I should mention this is the second time in 2 days, 10 or
more days apart, that I left the course with a sub-zero handicap.  
Last time I pulled out with a 0.25 only to have Sam Sweetser
(look up his USSA and FIS record, Samuel Sweetser) beat me
by 17/100ths, he was then put in as a Pacesetter with a 4.74 HC
(have no idea how they came up with that for a US D Teamer??).  
Today I punched one and left with a sub-zero on the other course
(to be fair to the other racers), will be interesting to see if it holds
up then what they'll do with it or do I get screwed again while
slower racers sit ahead of me in the standings rolleyes.gif

One of these days I'll get it, if not today, and then there's dealing with
the "Blue Streak" from Colorado  laugh.gif  Hey Streak, I may just show
up at Steamboat this year (ankle report pending) to give my old
buddy Ward a run for the gold (and any other real racers that may
make the show).  How 'bout you stop posing and come out for once
and prove your mettle??

Do I really care?  Kinda of, but no, not really.  biggrin.gif

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 03:35 PM

Oh, this is just too funny, got to LOVE IT!!

I get punched by Kruse a guest from back east, Lenzen,
and one another of our fast guys, Todd Herilla, who has
won our NASTAR races this season (lowest HC, Fastest Time).

The big guns were out, Herilla, Kruse, Wagner, McCauley, and
new to PCMR standings, Steven Lenzen, wild man is my nickname
for him, again, quick enough.

Here's the results

Resort: Park City Mountain Resort, Utah
Date: Feb 5th, 2008
Description: Daily Nastar
Weather: Sunny bluebird day
Pacesetters:    Course    Pacesetter    Handicap    Time      Par Time

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Yellow Ben Rafferty    8.92 17.99 16.51
Green Ben Rafferty    8.92 18.26 16.76
  
RACE RESULTS (sorted by best handicap - all results)  
[By Age & Gender Category]  [By Name]  [Best Only]
Competitor Hometown Age & Gender Category Course Time Handicap    Medal    
  
Frank Kruse Park City, UT Male 50-54 Green 16.49 0.01   Platinum best

Todd Herilla Salt Lake City, UT Male 35-39 Green 16.55 0.01   Platinum best  
  
Steven Lenzen Prior Lake, MN Male 40-44  Green 16.59 0.01   Platinum best
                                                              Green 16.58 0.01   Platinum

Gary Dranow Park City, UT Male 50-54 Green 16.69 0.01   Platinum best
  
Gary Dranow Park City, UT Male 50-54 Yellow 16.63 0.73   Platinum   biggrin.gif  tongue.gif  
  
Steven Lenzen Prior Lake, MN Male 40-44 Yellow 16.68 1.03   Platinum  
                                                            Green 16.94 1.07   Platinum  
                                                            Green 16.95 1.13   Platinum  
  
Frank Kruse Park City, UT Male 50-54 Green 16.96 1.19   Platinum  
  
Steven Lenzen Prior Lake, MN Male 40-44 Green 17.00 1.43   Platinum  
  
Frank Kruse Park City, UT Male 50-54 Green 17.01 1.49   Platinum  
  
Chuck Wagner Park City, UT Male 45-49 Green 17.01 1.49   Platinum best
  
Todd Herilla Salt Lake City, UT Male 35-39 Yellow 16.80 1.76   Platinum  
  
Chuck Wagner Park City, UT Male 45-49 Green 17.16 2.39   Platinum  
  
Keith Mccauley Park City, UT Male 60-64 Green 17.36 3.58   Platinum best
  
Frank Kruse Park City, UT Male 50-54 Yellow 17.12 3.69   Platinum

Now here's what's funny.  I took 2 runs all day, one in Green, punched
early, then one in Yellow and split.

Since I had the fastest time in Yellow (Lenzen was out there beating
it to death to catch me, got to hand it to him, he really tried) my 0.73
will stand and  the fact the Kruse, Lenzen and Herrilla got around me in
Green will be to no  avail, Kruse will have to be put in as Pacesetter (unless
HQ suddenly changes Ben's Handicap and that would really piss me off at
this point) and I end up winning the race with the fastest (one and only) run
in Yellow at a 0.73.

Ah, another option, which I forgot, is I'm a Pacesetter as well at 6.50 for
Wolf Mountain.  Minimally if they don't put Frank in with is State HC at
5.32 or National at 6.99 they should use me as I punched as well.  Fairest
way to handle it, the yellow, by rules, must be left alone.

Results (2007 - 08 Season) - 11 days raced / 43 results  

Resort Date Description Course  Time  Handicap    Medal    
  
Park City Mountain Resort Feb. 5, 2008  Daily Nastar
                             Green 16.69 0.01     Platinum  
                             Yellow 16.63 0.73     Platinum

Just memorializing it so if Ben's HC gets changed its clear what
happened.

Here's Lenzen's day, hope he had fun, should of with 8 runs wink.gif

Results (2007 - 08 Season) - 3 days raced / 14 results  

Resort Date Description Course  Time  Handicap    Medal    
  
Park City Mountain Resort Feb. 5, 2008  Daily Nastar
                                    Yellow 17.16 3.94     Platinum  
                                    Green 17.00 1.43     Platinum  
                                    Yellow DSQ 0.00      (this is when I left)  
                                    Green 16.94 1.07     Platinum  
                                    Yellow 16.68 1.03     Platinum  
                                    Green 16.59 0.01     Platinum  
                                    Green 16.95 1.13     Platinum  
                                    Green 16.58 0.01     Platinum

Just to make it clear, and yes I know these things, if I took
1 more run in each course I was 16.1 to 16.2, guaranteed.

Kruse took a few good shots at it too

Results (2007 - 08 Season) - 6 days raced / 25 results  

Resort Date Description Course  Time  Handicap    Medal    
  
Park City Mountain Resort Feb. 5, 2008  Daily Nastar
                             Green 16.96 1.19     Platinum  
                             Yellow 17.26 4.54     Platinum  
                             Green 16.49 0.01     Platinum  
                             Yellow 17.12 3.69     Platinum  
                             Green 17.01 1.49     Platinum

Other than being a super nice guy, he is a real Masters racer as are
Wagner (very fast on the big hill), McCauley (probably on of the top
5 fastest over 60s in the country), Herrilla is a coach, I think.

Finally I catch a break and can relax about the all important,
life depends on it, Resort NASTAR Ranking  ohmy.gif  rolleyes.gif

Got to love NASTAR Racing, its like playing poker  biggrin.gif

Now what will HQ do, replace the pacesetter or for this one race
inexplicably change Ben's Handicap and blow everyone up?

If things are done correctly, Kruse goes in a the pacesetter in Green,
Yellow is left alone everyone comes out happy as most everyone
took at least one run in Yellow (since I told everyone, including
Lenzen, who I don't know, that the Par Time was punched in Green and
to run the lower Par Time Yellow, other folks I know would never share
that knowledge wink.gif )

Too funny, again, got to love it!!

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#7 Gary Dranow

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 06:02 PM

OH YEAH BABY!!

HQ did the right thing and coach takes number 1 at Park City
with UFC Sandbagging.  

Comments: The green course Par Time has been recalculated because of negative handicaps
Pacesetters:    Course    Pacesetter    Handicap    Time      Par Time

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Yellow Ben Rafferty    8.92 17.99 16.51
Green Frank Kuse    6.99 16.49 15.41

RACE RESULTS (sorted by best handicap)  
[By Age & Gender Category]  [By Name]  [All Results]
Competitor Hometown Age & Gender Category Course Time Handicap    Medal    
  
Gary Dranow Park City, UT Male 50-54 Yellow 16.63 0.73   Platinum  
Steven Lenzen Prior Lake, MN Male 40-44 Yellow 16.68 1.03   Platinum  
Todd Herilla Salt Lake City, UT Male 35-39 Yellow 16.80 1.76   Platinum  
Frank Kruse Park City, UT Male 50-54 Yellow 17.12 3.69   Platinum  
Lyle Stewart Echo, UT Male 45-49 Yellow 17.78 7.69   Platinum  
Sally Tauber Park City, UT Female 45-49 Yellow 17.83 8.00   Platinum  
Don Cofer Park City, UT Male 60-64 Yellow 17.88 8.30   Platinum  
Ray MacKown Arlington, TX Male 55-59 Yellow 18.22 10.36   Platinum  
Chuck Wagner Park City, UT Male 45-49 Green 17.01 10.38   Platinum  
Keith Mccauley Park City, UT Male 60-64 Yellow 18.25 10.54   Platinum  
David Lauren Park City, UT Male 60-64 Yellow 18.43 11.63   Platinum  
Larry Stithem Park City, UT Male 50-54 Yellow 18.45 11.75   Platinum  
Ken France Laguna Niguel, CA Male 55-59 Yellow 18.62 12.78   Platinum

More importantly (well just as silly but we'll take it) 4 MSR Team Mates
were out racing and we'll all hit the Club Team Standings as well as
the Family and Friends Standings.  Tomorrow I'm expecting 1 or both to hit #1. (Update, #2 and #3, still work today!)

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 06:20 PM

Just wanted to through this out.  We have a new
NASTAR program manager (not sure his real title
at the mountain yet) named Chad Denny (need to
visit with him again and check name spelling, if its
wrong, sorry Chad!!).  He was previously the RD
Director (I believe) at Taos.  We'll get all this updated
and correct as soon as I can visit wtih Chad again.

Since he has stepped in things have really started
rocking at PCMR NASTAR.  Excellent courses, yeah
par times are a bit sketchy unless getting punched
by your MSR Team member or US Ski Team Member,
but everything else including announcing is so good
we've got to raise our rating now.

Back to 5 Thumbs Up Rating, our highest.  And Chad,
you have our appreciation and support.  We sincerely
hope you can develop the program to its full potential!  

Go to PCMR and race, you just may end up running
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Posted 18 February 2010 - 05:34 PM

Ah, I've been remiss!  

This year has been an exceptional year for Park City's NASTAR venue.

Good courses all year and the crew has been delightful.  I have been
chronicling the good job in my 2010 blog.

They kept the handicapping fair all the way through the NASTAR qualies
so kudos to their team of pacesetters as well!

Excellent product and worth the trip!!

Here's my current rating for the 2010 Season

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Posted 25 December 2014 - 09:03 PM

As of Dec 25, 2014 I've not seen any NASTAR results from Park City. Vail, now the operator, stopped NASTAR a couple of years ago, and I'm wondering if that is now the case with Park City. Seems like there is a new program called EpicMix Racing (search google) that is now at some other ski areas. Maybe that is where things are going?   Deer Valley has been reporting results this December.

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 09:38 AM

View PostBear, on 25 December 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

As of Dec 25, 2014 I've not seen any NASTAR results from Park City. Vail, now the operator, stopped NASTAR a couple of years ago, and I'm wondering if that is now the case with Park City. Seems like there is a new program called EpicMix Racing (search google) that is now at some other ski areas. Maybe that is where things are going?   Deer Valley has been reporting results this December.

Bear, Welcome aboard!  My understanding it that NASTAR will start running today at Park City and for at least this year they will continue with NASTAR on Blanche.  The reason you haven't seen any results to date was the lack of snow.  We finally got snow yesterday and temperatures dropped for snow making a week ago so things are looking up.  Whether Vail is going to change over to Epic Racing next year remains to be seen.

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 02:09 PM

Thanks, Gary.